IWA MS Stylin' in the Summertime Thoughts

[IWSfan4life]

This show has been great so far. Nothing blow away MOTYC, but just very good and very solid matches here.

Nate Webb vs. Mark Wolf vs. Jimmy Jacobs was a fun little opener, and all 3 guys looked good. I hate Wolf with a passion (he's one of a few VERY Vanilla wrestlers in IWA), yet I continue to LOVE Nate Webb's character more than almost anyone. Anyway, this was a good match.

Punk on commentary...RULES!! He gets on Fannin incredibly, and makes me spit out my F'n Pepsi at 4 AM!

Trik Davis vs. Steve "Fuckin" Stone wasn't really a match. It was a solid beating for like 3 minutes. Davis is another vanilla guy, but Stone has something really cool about him. The match is forgetable, but the post match brawl with Rotten was cool.

Girls match next...I kept it on because Tracy/Daizee are hot and Punk is on commentary (he says "smack that bitch", and "whats that crazy broad doin"...priceless). Nothing special.

Styles vs. Delirious was a really good match. They had some nice series in the beginning and Styles opened up some fun high impact stuff as well. Nowhere near the Styles/Sydal match in comparason (SP?), but just a fun, solid contest that put Delirious over.

Collyer/McGuinness vs. Bradley/Boz (the REAL Team No Charisma) was very solid, carried by Team Technical Wizards lol. Bradley and Boz really blow and do about 3 power moves before they turn into WWE wrestlers here. Collyer and McGuinness however save this one with their flurries and counters and I enjoyed this way more than any other Brad/Boz match. Good stuff. Let F'N Collyer in the TPI.

Sydal vs. Punk is my MOTN to this point. I was considering this as a MOTYC but didn't wanna get carried away. Anyway, this one really delivered, and had me standing throughout. Sharp matwork and counters where Punk tries to intimidate Sydal, and underestimates him. Sydal stays ahead of him, and gets into Punk's head. They then trade some high impact stuff (Sydal works Punk's back I believe) and then Sydal makes the mistake of missing in the corner and twirking his knee. Punk then hits several fun moves on the knee and gets frustrated when the young Sydal won't submit. Sydal gets some near falls, but can't score the upset. That whole story and sweet selling made this match so much fun to watch. Sydal gets another GREAT match with an ME'er. Styles part 2 is coming and I can't wait.

Next was Kash/Sabu/Daniels, and this was a MESS! Horrid match, that never had any pace or story or even flow whatsoever. Considering the 3, this blew! Kash is up to TNA standards and I think he was off tonight. That said, if he ever did this again I'd fully say that he's not good enough for the IWA. Also, Sabu is no longer NEAR good enough for IWA. I'm convinced now that he has NO CLUE Whatsoever how to put a match together, seriously. Awful, worst of the night.

Now, I have 2 questions...

1. Whats with Fannin's extreme hate for Kash? Was he just playing an angle, because he seems to really DISPISE him. If so, why? Just because he works for TNA or because he's a prick or what?

2. When the hell did H2 ever actually run a show? Is this slipping my mind or what? Because Prazak keeps saying that Hero is in Bauer's fed tonight (can't remember what he called it), and that he knows whats going on, saying that Mr. X was revealed as PJ Freidman and Teddy Hart is doing flips for no reason LOL. Someone fill me in.

Anyway, then came Dragon/Cannon. I'd love to see Cide/Cannon now because cannon impressed me alot in this match and I do see some of Hero in him now. Dragon was good in his stiff strikes and some submissions, but I've now reached a full conclusion on Dragon for me (as I get murdered): I hate him. I can't help it, but I just can't seem to really get into his stuff this year as hard as I try (minus the SOTF match and Stage 1 match with Punk). I dont know what it is, he just bores me and never actually seems to do any hold for hold wrestling anymore. He just does 1,000 uppercuts and kicks at a body part for an hour. I wish he wasnt in the Quad shot anymore, nor in the TPI. Ah well, this wasnt bad at all, but wasnt blow away. Decent match here.

Still to come: Shelley/Petey and Clash's Final Thought.

-Jason Burke

[Voltage XX]

Stylesclash2004 said:

1. Whats with Fannin's extreme hate for Kash? Was he just playing an angle, because he seems to really DISPISE him. If so, why? Just because he works for TNA or because he's a prick or what?

He made it sound all night like Kash was being a dick before the show or something like that.

2. When the hell did H2 ever actually run a show? Is this slipping my mind or what? Because Prazak keeps saying that Hero is in Bauer's fed tonight (can't remember what he called it), and that he knows whats going on, saying that Mr. X was revealed as PJ Freidman and Teddy Hart is doing flips for no reason LOL. Someone fill me in.

Wow...you didn't realize that was completely sarcastic and a joke?? lol

[Agent Kev]

1. I believe H2 was supposed to be running the same night as this event took place.

2. Yeah, you are getting VERY carried away if you are pegging Punk vs. Sydal as MOTYC. I think IWA MS is having the opposite effect that WWE has on you.

3. That 3-way was one of the most pathetic pieces of trash this side of IMPACT.

[IWSfan4life]

Yeah I didn't realize they were just making that stuff up, I thought maybe IWA thought that H2 did run but it fact they cancelled. That said, that led to some pretty f'n cool commentary. I also am liking Fannin on commentary alot in the show.

"Yeah, you are getting VERY carried away if you are pegging Punk vs. Sydal as MOTYC. I think IWA MS is having the opposite effect that WWE has on you."

I said I wouldn't call it a MOTYC, but this match was just very fun for me. Just seeing Sydal evolve into a superstar thats on fire, and the story they told (which I went into detail about in my other post) really got me into this the same way Styles-Sydal did. Punk did an awesome job putting over Sydal by selling and facial expressions, and Sydal plays a great underdog. I may have missed this somewhere else, but what were your thoughts on this match Kev?

"That 3-way was one of the most pathetic pieces of trash this side of IMPACT."

I'd take any IMPACT jobber match over this 3 way any day. Quite possibly the worst match I've seen this year, and this is coming from a huge fan of all 3 guys in the match.

-Jason Burke

[Agent Kev]

Stylesclash2004 said:

I also am liking Fannin on commentary alot in the show.

I also like Fannin on commentary. He's a good heel commentator.

I said I wouldn't call it a MOTYC, but this match was just very fun for me. Just seeing Sydal evolve into a superstar thats on fire, and the story they told (which I went into detail about in my other post) really got me into this the same way Styles-Sydal did. Punk did an awesome job putting over Sydal by selling and facial expressions, and Sydal plays a great underdog. I may have missed this somewhere else, but what were your thoughts on this match Kev?

From Kev's Wrestling Log:

"Matt Sydal vs. CM Punk- IWA MS-7/31/04

This match was decent but really showed how young Sydal is. Sydal blew a couple of spots and despite good selling of the leg towards the end of the match he started busting out flippy moves and moves where he used his legs as offensive weapons (which didn't make any sense). Match would have benefited from being 5 minutes shorter."

[IWSfan4life]

Yeah Fannin certainly is playing a nice heel here and he used to be annoying to me, but he's pretty fun on this tape.

"This match was decent but really showed how young Sydal is. Sydal blew a couple of spots and despite good selling of the leg towards the end of the match he started busting out flippy moves and moves where he used his legs as offensive weapons (which didn't make any sense). Match would have benefited from being 5 minutes shorter.""

I actually wished this one was a bit longer. Sydal (to my knowledge) only busted iout one flippy move after Punk started working the leg (which was a top rope dragon-rana), and even on that move, the psychology of the match was played up. Sydal didn't catch all of it, so Prazak used the "his leg was too hurt to hit that fully" so it looked fine. That type of stuff also doesn't bother me as much, in MOST cases.

-jason burke

[Agent Kev]

Stylesclash2004 said:

I actually wished this one was a bit longer. Sydal (to my knowledge) only busted iout one flippy move after Punk started working the leg (which was a top rope dragon-rana), and even on that move, the psychology of the match was played up. Sydal didn't catch all of it, so Prazak used the "his leg was too hurt to hit that fully" so it looked fine. That type of stuff also doesn't bother me as much, in MOST cases.

I don't really have a vivid memory of this match, so I can't really go back and tell you why I thought the way that I did. But I think that indy wrestlers fall into the pattern of having a long match just to have it. Sometimes it works (Punk/Joe, Hero/Punk, Aries/Danielson) but most of the time I feel that if time was cut out of the match it would have a much better flow (Super Dragon/Ryan, Super Dragon/Quance, Punk/Sydal, Lynn/Delirious). Whenever indy matches approach the 15-20 minute mark they have the "chance" to kind of fall apart a little bit depending on the workers. I find this to happen quite a bit in IWA Mid-South and also in SoCal wrestling. I just think that a lot of times it would be better to have a tighter match that flowed better than a match that goes too long and exposes the workers flaws. I guess that's why I like Wildside so much, they usually keep it within 15 minutes and it usually comes off real well. I love watching long matches but I think today's indy workers have fallen in love with going too long when they don't have to in order to try and tell a story that they could have done in 5-10 less minutes and kept the fans wanting more. But that's just one man's opinion.

[IWSfan4life]

I know what you mean, and I feel that exact way about Super Dragon matches as well as Lynn/Delirious, and some AmDrag matches as well. However, this one had no signs of boring me. It's just vary hard for me NOT to love it when you put two of my current favs in the ring for a long time with a chance to shine (ala Sydal/Punk, Sydal/Styles). But I see where this might annoy you, as do AmDrag's longer matches to me.

-jason Burke

[IWSfan4life]

Finished the show. Shelley vs. Petey was quite a fun match that was worked really well. Shelley had some SWEET work on Petey's arm, and both men mixed their offenses very well. Shelley is one of the best young guys in the game and Petey looked very strong as well.

Pondo vs. Klein was very funny. Not really that brutal, and Punk saved me from falling asleep.

Overall, a very good show thats kept me in love with the MS. Shelley/Petey and Sydal/Punk stole the show, and there were some other very solid/good matches as well (3 way, tag title match, Dragon/Cannon).

-Jason Burke

[Voltage XX]

Stylesclash2004 said:

and there were some other very solid/good matches as well (3 way, tag title match, Dragon/Cannon).

Damn straight...Kash, Daniels, and Sabu laid it all out there in that match!





Oh....not THAT 3-way. *runs away*

[IWSfan4life]

LOL Kash/Daniels/Sabu was the worst thing i've seen this year (next to Kaos/Pain maybe). The solid/good 3 way is jacobs/Webb/Wolf, but you already knew that ;D

-Jason Burke

[TheRick]

I've now reached a full conclusion on Dragon for me (as I get murdered): I hate him. I can't help it, but I just can't seem to really get into his stuff this year as hard as I try (minus the SOTF match and Stage 1 match with Punk). I dont know what it is, he just bores me and never actually seems to do any hold for hold wrestling anymore. He just does 1,000 uppercuts and kicks at a body part for an hour. I wish he wasnt in the Quad shot anymore, nor in the TPI.

*Hands StylesClash2004 an official membership card*
Welcome to the club! Finally somebody else has seen the light.

[Agent Kev]

TheRick said:

*Hands StylesClash2004 an official membership card*
Welcome to the club! Finally somebody else has seen the light.

Well not everyone has good taste To each his own.

[TheRick]

Agent said:

Well not everyone has good taste To each his own.

Not everybody enjoys how he treats matches like a game where he has to rack up as many European uppercuts as possible in a given ammount of time.

[Agent Kev]

TheRick said:

Not everybody enjoys how he treats matches like a game where he has to rack up as many European uppercuts as possible in a given ammount of time.

And how many Bryan Danielson matches have you seen?