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Post by TheRick on Jul 5, 2004 18:47:14 GMT -5
I like old school wrestling to an extent. I like lots of older matches that are genuinly from that era, but generally I don't enjoy new old school matches. Pro wrestling to me is about evolving, not newstalgia. The notion of a new wrestler trying to reproduce the types of matches from 20 years ago seems as pointless to me as an automaker trying to reproduce cars from 20 years ago. Sure they were great back then, but that was 20 years ago. That's like saying newer things like huricanranas and air bags are lame because they aren't old school. I also really hate blatant rehashing of characters. To me CM Punk is just a rehash of Raven. Sure he crosses his arms instead of spreading them, but past that they're pretty much the same character. If anything I can at least say I gave ROH and a number of wrestlers I hadn't seen before a shot. To not drag this thread out any longer I'll end it with what I truly enjoyed watching that I hadn't been exposed to before: - BJ Whitmer (better than Homicide) ;D
- John Walters
- The Briscoes
- Special K
- Nigel McGuiness
- Cabana's talk show (Cabana Chat?)
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Post by Voltage XX on Jul 5, 2004 21:04:16 GMT -5
Good Times, Great Memories
As for the comment on Punk being a rehash of Raven, that's just....not right. Do you realize they had a HUGE feud last year because of the fact that they were "opposities" sort of...that was kind of the basis of the whole thing.
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Post by Agent Kev on Jul 5, 2004 21:24:42 GMT -5
I understand what Rick is trying to say but he's definitely not a "rehash". He's the Raven for his generation.
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Post by NewFnShow on Jul 5, 2004 22:14:15 GMT -5
I understand what Rick is trying to say but he's definitely not a "rehash". He's the Raven for his generation. Except Punk is a MUCH better wrestler than Raven EVER was.
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Post by IWSfan4life on Jul 11, 2004 22:06:54 GMT -5
Agreed all the way on that one. He has the mic skills and character depth of a Raven but is leagues better in the ring. I'd still prefer the Raven of ECW over the current Punk, but yeah the fued settled all that and it was awesome.
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Post by TheRick on Jul 12, 2004 10:30:23 GMT -5
I was going to let the thread die and leave on that last positive note, but CM Punk is crap compared to Raven in his day. I don't get how CM Punk is "deep" either. He's just your stereotypical pop-punker you see on MTV who just happens to wrestle. Instead of making horrible pop-punk music, he simply uses it as his entrance music. There's nothing unique about him at all. Who else thinks he has a poetry journal of some sort?
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Post by Voltage XX on Jul 12, 2004 10:55:09 GMT -5
Jesus Christ, what day of class did I miss? AFI is pop-punk music?! Guess I should keep up with the times. I think you're getting groups of people a little bit confused. CM Punk resembles nothing of a "pop-punker" as you said.
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Post by TheRick on Jul 12, 2004 12:54:51 GMT -5
AFI is whiny pop-punk. Plus the lead singer sounds like he just sucked back a tank of helium after having his yam bag cut off. "Girl's not grey" is on TheRick's top 10 most annoying songs ever list.
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Post by IWSfan4life on Jul 12, 2004 22:39:35 GMT -5
CM Punk is not "pop-punk" at all. I'll admit when i first saw him i thought he had a grunge type of look, but if anything that is part of the straight edge new generation gimmick he has. I consider his look/gimmick to be among the deepest and most credible in the buisness right now, and he has GREAT technical rounded off skill to go with that, making him a bit "deeper" OVERALL than the old Raven, and certainly the current Raven IMO.
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Post by mynameisdane on Jul 13, 2004 2:13:32 GMT -5
AFI was once a really, really good band.
Now they are crappy pop punk.
I'd say Punk's attitudes and lifestyle gravitate more towards hardcore or "hardcore punk". Especially considering that he claims straightedge, a subculture basically invented by hardcore legends, Minor Threat. Fortunately, MTV has yet to kill hardcore, as they have with almost every other division of punk (emo was once associated with Mineral and Sunny Day Real Estate....now it's fucking Yellowcard).
In conclusion, MTV kills music, AFI was once good, Punk is a hardcore scenster, and Rick is an idiot.
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Post by TheRick on Jul 13, 2004 10:08:39 GMT -5
I'm an idiot because I think CM Punk is unoriginal and boring? Quick, name a wrestler you don't like. You're now an idiot for not liking him.
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Post by NewFnShow on Jul 13, 2004 11:25:00 GMT -5
How is he unoriginal? Name ONE person with his gimmick, and someone who does the gimmick BETTER than him. There isn't anyone. If there is one thing Punk is, it is original.
Boring I can understand, although I don't agree with it.
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Post by TheRick on Jul 13, 2004 12:11:23 GMT -5
ECW/WCW Raven. It's the same gimmick although Raven did it better. The only difference is that Raven did a ton of drugs and Punk doesn't. That has nothing to do with your gimmick though. I don't drink alcohol or do drugs either, but I don't listen to AFI, have a stupid Pepsi tatoo (which is irony in itself), nor do I have any piercings. I haven't even brought this issue up yet, but Raven pulled it off better because at least Raven looked like could legit kick somebody's ass.
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Post by NewFnShow on Jul 13, 2004 12:21:36 GMT -5
How did Raven have the same gimmick? Raven had a gimmick where he was Straight Edge, and he thought it made him better then everyone else? THAT is Punk's gimmick. Raven's gimmick is and was NOTHING like that. They have a similar look and are both great on the mic. Besides that, they don't have many similarities.
And about the kicking ass thing, when did Punk's gimmick mean he can kick anyone's ass? His gimmick is a cowardly heel, not a bad ass who is extremely tough.
Punk and Raven's gimmicks are NOT the same.
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Post by TheRick on Jul 13, 2004 12:42:44 GMT -5
So Punk is a giant puss who knows he can't win a match, but at the end of the day knows he is better than everybody else because even though he's a giant loser, he doesn't do drugs or alcohol? Either way I'm done arguing over this. I don't like CM Punk at all. I find him boring, unoriginal, and the very sight of him in the ring means I either fast forward or do something else. I'm sure I like wrestlers you can't stand, but I really couldn't give a sh*t.
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